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~ 1 mo, 2 days ago    
Constable Ryan Gable On Township Incorportion
 
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Montgomery County Sherriff Rand Henderson and Precinct 3 Constable Gable speak out on the Townships law enforcement portion of the incorporation study.
 
Sheriff Rand Henderson said he believes the new study better explains the cost of running a police department.
 
"Leaders in law enforcement had some concerns about the validity of those numbers (from the Novak study), so whenever I saw the study from Chief Oettmeier, who I have a lot of respect for, these were much more valid numbers and really spoke to what it takes to run a police department," Henderson said.
 
To read the report by Chief Oettmeier visit:
www.thewoodlands.com /voteagainst/
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HiHoNeighbor Active Indicator LED Icon
~ 1 mo, 2 days ago    
I rearranged my work commitments and attended the information meeting last night. It was quite insightful. Strangely, there was no articulated reason "for" Incorporation....just a lot of reasons not to incorporate. Gordy Bunch (Chairman of Township Board of Directors) was invited, but did not attend.
 
If anyone was at the meeting, you'll know who I am now, because I asked the first question from the public at the microphone.
 
I asked if there was any articulated reason why the proposition was put on a ballot in a non-midterm election year still reeling from the pandemic. There was none. So my default answer is "no incorporation" until I can personally determine a valid reason to incorporate. A "no" vote now still allows for a "yes" vote in future years. But a "yes" vote now is binding forever and I am not prepared for the unmitigated consequences of incorporation just yet.
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iamgr8 Active Indicator LED Icon
~ 1 mo, 2 days ago    
@HiHoNeighbor : thanks for sharing!
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creekside771 Active Indicator LED Icon
~ 4 weeks ago    
A "no" vote now still allows for a "yes" vote in future years. But a "yes" vote now is binding forever and I am not prepared for the unmitigated consequences of incorporation just yet.
 
@HiHoNeighbor : I agree with this. I'm quite open to hearing pros/cons from both sides and I don't have a "dog in this fight".
 
However, like you, my concern is that a "NO" vote is a known quantity that is reversible. Whereas a "YES" vote is an unknown quantity that is irreversible. From a risk-benefit analysis a "YES" requires some overwhelming benefits.
 
I think the "YES" side needs to put forward their list of compelling reasons why we should do it, I'm open to hearing it....
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HiHoNeighbor Active Indicator LED Icon
~ 3 weeks, 6 days ago    
Of the 7 board members who voted on whether to add Incorporation to the Nov 2nd ballot - only two voted NO - but of those two, Ann Snyder had this to say just before the vote took place:
 
"We have always stated as a Board that the information provided would be thorough and accurate…If we vote to become a city, it's permanent. There are no do-overs. We don't get a test drive with incorporation…The question is not whether to put incorporation on the ballot but when. There are several factors that this is not the time. First and foremost, I didn't have access to the financials until this afternoon. It's important that the residents have time to review this financial model…We have repeatedly stated we'd place incorporation on the ballot during an even-numbered year to have a large turnout. We're in a COVID resurgence. Many are struggling and their attention is on COVID…In my opinion, how can we ask the voters to accept a tax rate that we received this afternoon in the middle of a pandemic surge…This is not the right time to place incorporation on the ballot."
 
I think she clearly states exactly the same issues that many of us have with this vote. Thought it was interesting.
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~ 3 weeks, 5 days ago    
@creekside771 : the only real reason I've heard from the PRO side is because they want to be self-governed. Which I'm all for in general, but this isn't happening in a vacuum. I'd rather have the current system in place for a little while longer while the issues with funding, MUDs, City Council salaries, etc are all worked out. When the PRO side is asked specific questions about real issues, they give conflicting answers (or no answers) because the truth is, NO ONE knows how any of this would really work.
 
The other PRO reason is to have "a seat at the table" in various aspects of governing, grants, FEMA relief, etc. But again, in some of these cases there's an overstatement on what the "seat" gets us and if we're really losing out currently. Example - someone mentioned not getting FEMA funds after floods, hurricanes, etc. as a reason to incorporate. But FEMA funds aren't free cash donations, they're reimbursements for money spent on road repair, cleanup, etc. Since The Woodlands didn't spend any money on these issues (Montgomery and Harris County did), we didn't "lose out" on FEMA money, we simply didn't need it.
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creekside771 Active Indicator LED Icon
~ 3 weeks, 5 days ago    
But FEMA funds aren't free cash donations, they're reimbursements for money spent on road repair, cleanup, etc. Since The Woodlands didn't spend any money on these issues (Montgomery and Harris County did), we didn't "lose out" on FEMA money, we simply didn't need it.
 
@TwinTexansFan :
 
Great points, and there is an insidious issue as well...the reality is that those types of funds / fed grants / etc become irresistible to political bodies. The grift and graft soon set in and decisions start being made not by "Is this a good idea for our community", but "how much can we get from feds if we do X, Y, Z?"
 
The grift and graft won't appear on year 1 of our newly formed city....but by year 10, 15, 20?....and well by that point, its too late.
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TwinTexansFan Active Indicator LED Icon
~ 3 weeks, 5 days ago    
@creekside771 : very true! And even when they are being used for the right purpose, a lot of grants require a matching contribution from the district, which just adds to the budget. With the tax rate set so low for this incorporation effort, how much extra could our budget really absorb?
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TimberAg Active Indicator LED Icon
~ 3 weeks, 3 days ago    
Some "pro's" no one is giving explanations to.
The "seat at the table" argument is incorrect. You dont need to be a city to have a "seat at the table". The Woodlands has always worked with regional leaders for planning. That is how we were able to work with SJRA on converting to surface water and how we were able get new bridges built over Spring Creek for Kuykendahl, and how were were able to get exits on 45 and fly overs on 242. These things would never have happened if The Woodlands didnt have a "seat at the table".
 
What does "enact drainage requirements" mean? Does this mean residents wont be allowed to have french drains in their back yards? Does it mean we will have to build more mosquito infested detention ponds?
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