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What are your thoughts, Obama on Gay marriage ..




What are your thoughts, Obama on Gay marriage ..
By: texbuck
May 9, 2012 - 03:12 pm
Is it just about the votes? Gay population in the US is estimated around 4 million.

Will this help or hurt him in the upcoming election? Quite a large gay population but he'll carry California regardless.



President Obama became the first U.S. president to endorse gay marriage, telling ABC News today that it "should be legal."

"I think same sex-couples should be able to get married," Obama told ABC's Good Morning America.

After years of what he had called an "evolving" view of the issues, Obama said family and friends gradually persuaded him that gay couples should be treated the same way as heterosexual ones.

Facing a re-election bid in which gay rights are a hot button issue, Obama also said his endorsement is a personal view, and that states should set their own marriage laws. The interview took place a day after voters in North Carolina approved a constitutional ban on gay marriage.

His comments also came within a few days of pro-gay marriage statements by Vice President Biden and Education Secretary Arne Duncan, increasing pressure on Obama from gay rights supporters.

ABC News, meanwhile, prepared a handy "timeline" of Obama statements on gay marriage:

FEBRUARY 1996: "I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages," reads a typed, signed statement from then-Illinois state senate candidate Obama in response to a questionnaire by the Chicago LGBT newspaper "Outlines." White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer later publicly disavowed the statement, claiming in June 2011 that the questionnaire was "actually filled out by someone else."

OCTOBER 2004: " What I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman … What I believe, in my faith, is that a man and a woman, when they get married, are performing something before God, and it's not simply the two persons who are meeting," then-U.S. Senate candidate Obama said in an interview with WTTW Chicago public television.

"That doesn't mean that that necessarily translates into a position on public policy or with respect to civil unions. What it does mean is that we have a set of traditions in place that, I think, need to be preserved, but I also think we need to make sure that gays and lesbians have the same set of basic rights that are in place.

"I don't think marriage is a civil right," Obama said when asked whether there's an inherent right to marry.

President Obama at a campaign event last month.
CAPTIONBy Jewel Samad, AFP/Getty ImagesOCTOBER 2010: "I have been to this point unwilling to sign on to same-sex marriage primarily because of my understandings of the traditional definitions of marriage," President Obama said during an interview with liberal bloggers. "But I also think you're right that attitudes evolve, including mine. And I think that it is an issue that I wrestle with and think about because I have a whole host of friends who are in gay partnerships."

DECEMBER 2010: "My feelings about this are constantly evolving. I struggle with this. At this point, what I've said is, is that my baseline is a strong civil union that provides them the protections and the legal rights that married couples have," Obama said in response to a question from ABC's Jake Tapper at a White House press conference.

"I recognize that from their perspective it is not enough, and I think is something that we're going to continue to debate and I personally am going to continue to wrestle with going forward," he said.

JUNE 2011: "The president has never favored same-sex marriage. He is against it. The country is evolving on this, and he is evolving on it," Pfeiffer told progressive activists at the Net Roots Nation conference.

JUNE 2011: "I think it's important for us to work through these issues because each community is going to be different, each state is going to be different," Obama said when asked during a White House press conference about New York becoming the latest state to legalize same-sex marriage.

"I think what you're seeing is a profound recognition on the part of the American people that gays and lesbians and transgender persons are our brothers, our sisters, our children, our cousins, our friends, our co-workers, and that they've got to be treated like every other American," he said. "And I think that principle will win out. It's not going to be perfectly smooth, and it turns out that the President -- I've discovered since I've been in this office -- can't dictate precisely how this process moves."

OCTOBER 2011: "I'm still working on it," Obama said when asked by ABC's George Stephanopoulos whether he would move from supporting civil unions for same-sex couples to supporting gay marriage.

"I probably won't make news right now, George. But I think that there's no doubt that as I see friends, families children of gay couples who are thriving, you know, that has an impact on how I think about these issues."






ABC News broke into regular programming to report Obama's comments.



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Re: What are your thoughts, Obama on Gay marria...
By: Hookem
May 9, 2012 - 04:01 pm
So what's the question?


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Re: What are your thoughts, Obama on Gay marria...
By: texbuck
May 9, 2012 - 04:23 pm
If you read it and can't figure out the question just ignore it!


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What are your thoughts, Obama on Gay marriage ..
By: Hookem
May 9, 2012 - 04:39 pm
No need to get all snooty. It is not clear if you are asking for my opinion on gay marriage or my opinion on Obama's opinion. I usually find it is best to ask for clairification if there is a disconnect between the title of a thread and the content.


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Re: What are your thoughts, Obama on Gay marria...
May 9, 2012 - 04:53 pm
Don't the states determine whether or not they allow gay marriage?

If so, whatever obama thinks really doesn't matter.

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Re: What are your thoughts, Obama on Gay marria...
May 9, 2012 - 05:31 pm
So silly since you ask the question, how about your opinion to start things off?


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Re: What are your thoughts, Obama on Gay marria...
May 9, 2012 - 05:37 pm
Well, texbuck started the thread, not me.

My opinion does not change.......it has always been that marriage is between a man and a woman.

If states want to come up with civil unions or some other options, I would be willing to listen, but absolutely no to gay marriage.

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Re: What are your thoughts, Obama on Gay marria...
May 9, 2012 - 06:14 pm
TexBuck what is your opinion?

Silly, in your opinion, what is the difference between a civil union and marriage?



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Re: What are your thoughts, Obama on Gay marria...
By: Hookem
May 9, 2012 - 06:40 pm
sillystring writes:
Don't the states determine whether or not they allow gay marriage?

If so, whatever obama thinks really doesn't matter.



The federal government could over ride the state government. The supream court could also strike down state laws so opinions do matter.


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Re: What are your thoughts, Obama on Gay marria...
May 9, 2012 - 07:48 pm
I doubt it will get him or lose him many votes, so no, I don't think that's what it was all about.

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Re: What are your thoughts, Obama on Gay marria...
May 9, 2012 - 08:02 pm
chocokat96 writes:
I doubt it will get him or lose him many votes, so no, I don't think that's what it was all about.




So what do you think it was about?



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Re: What are your thoughts, Obama on Gay marria...
May 10, 2012 - 07:12 am
AgingRiverTamer writes:
TexBuck what is your opinion?

Silly, in your opinion, what is the difference between a civil union and marriage?



The original question was about obama's opinion and if it was about votes.........

More rights are recognized in a marriage, ART. I'm not at all sure civil unions would be an answer I could agree with.

Hookem, Yes they can, but I don't see that happening over obama's opinion.

Edited to add: I think everything with politicians is about votes.





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Re: What are your thoughts, Obama on Gay marria...
May 10, 2012 - 07:37 am
I'm trying to craft my comments without getting jumped on, so bear with me. Yes, I think that the President and his campaign would have considered if it would cost a lot of votes before commenting. But generally, I think that many people who have been supportive of marriage equality all along already voted for Obama, and just lived with the fact that the President didn't agree with them (especially since I don't think we'll see this dealt with on a federal level in the near future.) On the flip side, many people who are against gay marriage already have/had no plans to vote for Mr. Obama.

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Re: What are your thoughts, Obama on Gay marria...
May 10, 2012 - 07:44 am
That pretty well sums up my thinking also chocokat.


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Re: What are your thoughts, Obama on Gay marria...
May 10, 2012 - 07:44 am
He raised 1 million in 90 minutes.......could it be about votes and$$$?

chococat....you should not have to worry about being jumped on here. We all have diffrent opinions and should feel comfortable expressing them.

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Re: What are your thoughts, Obama on Gay marria...
May 10, 2012 - 07:46 am
Thanks, sillystring. I know it's true, but we've also seen some threads get ugly pretty fast.

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