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obama's speech last night

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by: sillystring Active Indicator LED Icon 12 OP 
~ 9 years ago   Nov 21, '14 12:30pm  
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theswami Active Indicator LED Icon
~ 9 years ago   Nov 21, '14 4:04pm  
What did you expect from our King?
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Makk9 Active Indicator LED Icon 9
~ 9 years ago   Nov 21, '14 7:06pm  
He asserts that all the House needed to do was to have a "simple yes or no vote" that they never would do. What is omitted is that they did not want a yes or no vote because they did not want the law he's talking about passed, which is their exact legislative constitutional purpose. So, he decided that it's ok to just "order" it. There will be serious repercussions from that I'm sure. Just because he alone feels something should be made lawful, does not mean it will be, or that he can make it so. He has an inflated view of himself.
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~ 9 years ago   Nov 22, '14 2:03pm  
Makk9 writes:
He asserts that all the House needed to do was to have a "simple yes or no vote" that they never would do. What is omitted is that they did not want a yes or no vote because they did not want the law he's talking about passed, which is their exact legislative constitutional purpose. So, he decided that it's ok to just "order" it. There will be serious repercussions from that I'm sure. Just because he alone feels something should be made lawful, does not mean it will be, or that he can make it so. He has an inflated view of himself.
 
Exactly, this is not the way our government is supposed to work. This is something that should go through Congress. I hope someone will take some action. I don't care if the president has the power of EO, this is the type of thing that SHOULD not be an EO.
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CecilQ Active Indicator LED Icon 7
~ 9 years ago   Nov 22, '14 5:09pm  
On June 27, 2013, the senate passed a comprehensive immigration reform bill by a vote of 68 to 32 (14 Republican senators voting "Yea".) House Speaker Boehner refused to allow it to be voted on in the house.
 
There might be more to the Republican caterwauling about Obama's autocracy if they were actually democratic themselves. Indeed, were Boehner to allow a vote, an immigration reform bill would almost certainly be voted down by the Republican house majority. He doesn't want to because the debate and its press coverage would show that the Democratic proposal is the only rational, plausible and fair solution to the problem and that the Republicans are bankrupt of alternate ideas and are just grandstanding since doing nothing (the standard Republican "plan") will make life so much worse for everyone.
 
There is no real doubt that the president's act is an appropriate use of executive power. Republicans are just annoyed that they can't sabotage him on this initiative as they have on so many others.
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Makk9 Active Indicator LED Icon 9
~ 9 years ago   Nov 22, '14 6:26pm  
Cecil, your entire post perfectly describes the very reason Obama DID NOT bring up immigration when for the first 2 years of his tenure he hd both houses of Congress controlled by democrats. Politically, at the time, he did not want that argument publicized. So, it works both ways. Doesn't it seem strange to you that all the sudden, 2 weeks after the election and 2 months before the newly elected tak their seats, we now have a "crisis"? Where was the urgency 2 months ago on this "crisis"? The only crisis we have is the behavior of our president who doesn't respect the constitution he is sworn to defend!
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~ 9 years ago   Nov 23, '14 11:02am  
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Cecil, your entire post perfectly describes the very reason Obama DID NOT bring up immigration when for the first 2 years of his tenure he hd both houses of Congress controlled by democrats. Politically, at the time, he did not want that argument publicized. So, it works both ways. Doesn't it seem strange to you that all the sudden, 2 weeks after the election and 2 months before the newly elected tak their seats, we now have a "crisis"? Where was the urgency 2 months ago on this "crisis"? The only crisis we have is the behavior of our president who doesn't respect the constitution he is sworn to defend!
 
Assuming, arguendo, that your assertion is true, it is but more reason to pass the bill now since it has been delayed for so many years.
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~ 9 years ago   Nov 23, '14 5:07pm  
CecilQ writes:
 
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>> Makk9 writes:
Cecil, your entire post perfectly describes the very reason Obama DID NOT bring up immigration when for the first 2 years of his tenure he hd both houses of Congress controlled by democrats. Politically, at the time, he did not want that argument publicized. So, it works both ways. Doesn't it seem strange to you that all the sudden, 2 weeks after the election and 2 months before the newly elected tak their seats, we now have a "crisis"? Where was the urgency 2 months ago on this "crisis"? The only crisis we have is the behavior of our president who doesn't respect the constitution he is sworn to defend!
 
Assuming, arguendo, that your assertion is true, it is but more reason to pass the bill now since it has been delayed for so many years.
 
 
Pass a bill not an Executive Order. Let the people's voices be heard, not just the President and his Lobbyists.
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Makk9 Active Indicator LED Icon 9
~ 9 years ago   Nov 23, '14 5:33pm  
The people seem to favor first securing the border as step one. Obama can't stand that. That is why he resorts to "congress won't act, so I will".
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~ 9 years ago   Nov 23, '14 6:36pm  
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Makk9 Active Indicator LED Icon 9
~ 9 years ago   Nov 28, '14 9:38pm  
Well, he did his exec order thing within days of an overwhelmingly unsuccessful democrat mid-term election, before the Congress even convenes. He's hurrying to make his move before the new Senators take their seats in January. He is playing his political hand the best way he knows how. And, attempting (only in my view) to induct a flurry of new democratic voters grateful for his bold move to "free" them, to help decide the next presidential election. He is all about inserting his will on the American democracy, and transforming our democratic process into a populist driven, self destructing banana republic modeled failure. He no more cares about the future of our republic than the enemies that seek to destroy it. Nothing cited here, just my own opinion about the president who is the worst mistake in the history of the country. His failure will be his ignorance and disrespect of the power of the American people, which already has thwarted his efforts to drive the country into the ground. Congress' "inaction" coined behavior is just his frustration over their not "rubber stamping" his edicts.
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