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by: sillystring Active Indicator LED Icon 12 OP 
~ 9 years ago   Oct 29, '14 9:15am  
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TxDeb Active Indicator LED Icon 6
~ 9 years ago   Oct 29, '14 7:02pm  
Obviously she can't understand why people are worried. If you go somewhere like that as an aid worker etc you should realize you need to be quarantined when you come home. She needs to think about others.
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sstonetx Active Indicator LED Icon 11
~ 9 years ago   Oct 30, '14 10:59am  
There is no need for quarantine until someone shows symptoms. She knows this disease and is monitoring herself. Out of all the people in contact with those who had the disease, only the nurses and doctors who were in contact with vomit and diarrhea contracted it. So, it is not an easy disease to spread. The hysteria around it is just like in the early AIDS days. People were screaming quarantine and not allowing gay men to come to the US on airplanes......they were detained. So, this is similar. The disease is really deadly once people start the symptoms, but, until then, there is no need to panic. You can't get it from casual contact.
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UKMatt Active Indicator LED Icon 3
~ 9 years ago   Oct 30, '14 4:41pm  
 
Assuming you're referring to the reporting... I agree.
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UKMatt Active Indicator LED Icon 3
~ 9 years ago   Oct 30, '14 4:44pm  
TxDeb writes:
Obviously she can't understand why people are worried. If you go somewhere like that as an aid worker etc you should realize you need to be quarantined when you come home. She needs to think about others.
 
This type of thinking is problematic. There is no science to suggest that there is any value in quarantining people who do not have symptoms.
 
There is a very significant downside to doing so - the epidemic in Africa will not be slowed because people will be unwilling to go and treat those people if they know their livelihood will be at risk when they return and if they know they will be treated like pariahs when they return for no reason.
 
It seems like we really are racing back to the dark ages where data, facts and reason don't matter...
 
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TxDeb Active Indicator LED Icon 6
~ 9 years ago   Oct 30, '14 8:44pm  
sstonetx writes:
There is no need for quarantine until someone shows symptoms. She knows this disease and is monitoring herself. Out of all the people in contact with those who had the disease, only the nurses and doctors who were in contact with vomit and diarrhea contracted it. So, it is not an easy disease to spread. The hysteria around it is just like in the early AIDS days. People were screaming quarantine and not allowing gay men to come to the US on airplanes......they were detained. So, this is similar. The disease is really deadly once people start the symptoms, but, until then, there is no need to panic. You can't get it from casual contact.
 
I disagree. These healthcare workers have potentially been exposed. We have people who were exposed and got the disease and then got on airplanes, and exposed others. It sure seems like it is easier to spread than we are being told, or there would be no reason to track down all the people on the airplanes that came in contact with the nurse. How did these nurses get it? They still don't really know that. I still think there are a lot of unanswered questions and it is reasonable to quarantine those who come in. The guy in Dallas lied that he had been in contact with someone who had Ebola and look what happened.
 
If you want to go help fine, but I think that they need to realize they will be quarantined when they come back.
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sillystring Active Indicator LED Icon 12 OP 
~ 9 years ago   Oct 31, '14 9:57am  
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sstonetx Active Indicator LED Icon 11
~ 9 years ago   Oct 31, '14 2:08pm  
Duncan flew on sn airplane, sat in hospital waiting room, was in his apartment with family. The only people who caught the disease were those nurses in direct contact with his projectile vomiting and diarrhea. They more than likely got it from not having all areas of their bodies covered while he was experiencing this. The amount of fluid an Ebola patient loses during this faze is voluminous. The nurse being quarantined ( or no since the court ruled against it) had tested negative twice and had no symptoms. One is not contagious in the a symptomatic stage.
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TxDeb Active Indicator LED Icon 6
~ 9 years ago   Oct 31, '14 5:50pm  
www.examiner.com/art icle/according-to-cd c-ebola-virus-is-air borne-after-all
 
According to the CDC, it can be spread by a sneeze and the virus can live 24 hours on surfaces. So I think anyone who comes in from an infected area should be quarantined for 21 days.
 
The nurses said they were covered except for the neck area.
 
I would be worried that if she did become symptomatic she would not report it. Look at the nurse who had a fever and flew on an airplane. It's already happened, one article said she had symptoms before she got on the first plane.
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sstonetx Active Indicator LED Icon 11
~ 9 years ago   Oct 31, '14 6:00pm  
The sneeze thing may be possible, but not probable. They are covering all bases. Again, unless they are symptomatic, they are not contagious. Contacting people on the airpane was to assuage fears. They knew the probability was low anyone could catch it. No one has been reported sick from nurse Vinsin's flight and she was beginning to show symptoms with a very low grade fever.
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sillystring Active Indicator LED Icon 12 OP 
~ 9 years ago   Oct 31, '14 6:17pm  
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TxDeb Active Indicator LED Icon 6
~ 9 years ago   Oct 31, '14 6:21pm  
Still if you come from anywhere that has an epidemic like that you should expect a quarantine, it doesn't matter if you think you aren't contagious. That's how epidemics start.
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sstonetx Active Indicator LED Icon 11
~ 9 years ago   Oct 31, '14 7:03pm  
Epidemics start by not being contagious? I am sure you could not catch Ebola from someone non contagious.
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TxDeb Active Indicator LED Icon 6
~ 9 years ago   Oct 31, '14 8:49pm  
Epidemics start with people who THINK they are not contagious. And what happens if that person were to come down with Ebola on the 20th day? And maybe they don't think that is what it is. Why should we take a chance on someone spreading a deadly disease?
 
I'm glad you are sure. I'm not so sure that the CDC is sure. I was listening to a show the other day that talked about people being possible carriers and not being sick. This is apparently a disease that they don't know everything about. It would be better to be safe than sorry.
 
Other countries have stop letting people come from the affected areas. Canada and Australia are two countries that have suspended visas from Ebola stricken nations.
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sstonetx Active Indicator LED Icon 11
~ 9 years ago   Oct 31, '14 10:03pm  
To my mind, if we are vigilant with people coming back, having them take their temperature, etc., we can contain it here. Howevrer, if we don't get a handle on it in the countries it is in, it will become a real menace for us and the rest of the world. You are right, ignoring it is not the answer, but, getting enough care workers and supplies is difficult over there. As you see by the people we had in early stages, we were able to cure them. They know a lot about this disease.
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CecilQ Active Indicator LED Icon 7
~ 9 years ago   Nov 3, '14 10:48am  
All epidemiologists agree that the best way to prevent an outbreak of Ebola in the United States is to monitor travelers and to isolate those who become symptomatic. Quarantining or embargoing travelers from West Africa will make it more likely that Americans will become infected.
 
The surest means of preventing Ebola from spreading in the United States it to stop it in West Africa. Right now, it is contained in a relatively small geographical area. It it spreads to Africa generally (and to the Mediterranean, and to Europe) it will be impossible to prevent it from spreading here as well. In order to stop it, obstacles must not be put in the way of public health workers who would be willing to treat it. If a doctor or nurse knows that his life will be interrupted by either a 21 day quarantine or a prohibition of his entry into the United States, he is unlikely to volunteer. Provisioning those public health workers in Africa who have volunteered will become difficult as well.
 
Secondly, travelers who have been in an area of contagion, knowing that they will be detained or excluded from our country, will be encouraged to try to evade normal travel channels (and their concurrent oversight by government public health monitors) and try to slip into the country undetected.
 
While it is not beyond the realm of possibility for Ebola to be transmitted via a cough or a sneeze, the fact is that there isn't a single documented case of that ever having happened. The probability of an airline passenger contracting Ebola from a fellow traveler is close to zero.
 
The nurses in Texas Presbyterian are thought to have become infected due to inadequate safety gear or to improper disrobing procedure, not as a result of being sneezed on by Thomas Duncan.
 
The fact is that anyone who advocates quarantine or embargo is increasing the risk to his fellow Americans. Those politicians who are so doing are either profoundly ignorant or are pandering to the fears of their constituents for political purposes (i.e. votes.) Either way, their behavior is deplorable and a good reason to eject them from public service as soon as possible, be they Republican or Democrat.
 
Let's allow the experts to do what we hired them to do
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